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9/11 Cultwatch To Sponsor David Icke's Website?

David Icke seems to have taken to Twitter like a duck to water - his lucky followers can expect regular updates throughout the day on the great man's thinking.

One tweet yesterday caught the eye of us at 9/11 Cultwatch. Icke is looking for a sponsor for his highly succesful website DavidIcke.com. Who better to sponsor Icke than.......... - 9/11 Cultwatch? Icke surely appreciates debate, and it would raise our own profile in the 'truth' community - a win-win for both sides. At the moment our Financial Development Officer, Heidi Svenson, is working on making Mr Icke an offer he cannot refuse - 50p, a pile of old Coventry City programmes, and all the turquoise material from Ridley Road market than he can handle.

If you feel you can better our offer, do contact David directly at [email protected] Please note that sponsorship applications will not be accepted from:

1. Israel
2. Anyone whose surname ends in Rothschild
3. Terry Wogan
4. Lizards

 

 

 

Discord At The David Icke Forum

I am not aware of a conspiracist forum as popular as that of David Icke. With approaching 70,000 members, it is home to the weird and not so wonderful, as well as a few lurking critics like myself.

All it seems is not well in this forum for discussing everything from 9/11 truth through to Cryptozoology, with the focus, naturally, being on Icke's own work. The trouble at t'mill seems to centre on website users trying to recruit members for rival forums. The following personal message has been sent to all forum members:

Have you been sent a PM inviting you to join another forum or website?

If so please be aware that a small handful of other forums/websites out there have been set-up by individuals with a personal axe to grind, who are out to harm and disrupt this forum by recruiting members on here in order to promote an anti David Icke Forum/David Icke agenda.

If you receive any correspondence from another member inviting you to a place you feel is at odds with this forum please feel free to report it to one of the moderators or admin team on this forum. You can do so by clicking on the red triangle with exclamation mark in the middle (located at the bottom left of the PM) or by simply forwarding the PM to one of the team.

Over the years we've had numerous anti David Icke Forum/David Icke websites spring up and unfortunately a tiny minority of our members get fooled into joining them. Many lies are usually spread about this place and about David in order for the recruitment drive to be successful and as a consequence people get banned in the process.

The reason people were/are banned here is for linking to sites that are predominantly set up to promote an anti David Icke Forum/David Icke agenda and bad mouth site staff or David; And [arrogantly] using this sites resources to promote it!

This is something we simply do not tolerate. Any owners or members of other forums/websites caught doing so will find their accounts banned without warning.

If you would like to discuss this off the forum via email feel free to email me at [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]).

*Please note: This PM has been sent to all members. *

Certainly the tone of Icke's message is that of the concerned businessman. How dare someone use his shopfloor to advertise a rival trader? So much for the free flow of thought and ideas. Secondly it would be nice to think that Icke's greed, anti-Semitism and irrational view of the world has prompted these small acts of rebellion. Has it?

2012 and The Maya Calendar - Do Not Despair

As lovers of all things conspiratorial and apocalyptic should be aware, 2012 may be the biggie.

Certain interpretations of the Mayan calendar appear to suggest there is no ‘time’ after 21 December 2012. Good news if you have a bank loan you don’t want to pay back, or you want to wriggle out of buying lots of Christmas presents, bad news if you rather like life and want to make the most of it in 2013.  So, in excitement not known since the millennium bug failed to interfere with the working of one single computer, this is the year the Mayan calendar allegedly predicts will be our last. For those looking to battle through the various conspiracy theories, scam artists and genuine believers of this, I recommend the March 2012 issue of Fortean Times, which devotes its front cover and no less than 14 pages to doomsday 2012.

Former BBC Religious Affairs correspondent Ted Harrison gives us a good summary of how the Maya calculation was apparently reached, whilst also looking at some of the other attempts made to predict the end of the world. Special mention here must go to US evangelist Harold Camping who made a fool of himself not once but twice in 2011 by predicting the end of the world. Rather unsatisfactorily Harrison tells us Camping’s supporters have made a further prediction for 2012, but then ruins things by not telling us the date they have suggested. What a tease! For the record, it seems on-line sources are placing this third date as 21 October 2012. Perhaps Camping and his supporters are work on the old 'bullseye' approach - throw enough darts, and you will hit the bullseye eventually!

Joseph Gelfer takes a more political stance by considering the manner in which 2012 prophecies may hijack elements from indigenous cultures in a way new age activists have been doing for some time (often at considerable financial benefit to themselves) Jose Arguelles and his ‘Dreamspell Calendar' and Drunvalo Melchizedek’s use of Maori culture are both critiqued. Much to my delight John W Hoopes “The Hidden History of 2012” suggests that the big day may not be 21 December at all but the 23^rd, before he takes us through some of the variations 2012 theorists have adopted. It is worth quoting one sentence from his article in full:

“2012 has become a vehicle for new mythologies, from the liberation of information to the Occupy movement. There are serious problems in the world, from global warming to revolution, but the idea that the ancient Maya prophesised change in our time is ludicrous.”

Kevin Whitesides is possibly being a tad wordy when he takes on Terence McKenna’s concept of a “balkanisation of epistemology” taking place,  but he is probably on the right lines. We increasingly have a world where ‘experts’ attempt to use their theories to prove virtually anything – and in the process prove nothing. This tactic can even be adapted to  suggest the exact opposite of a particular discourse – Whiteside’s article is illustrated by an apocalyptic drawing marked “The Beginning Is Near”. Ever the salesman David Icke has talked of 2012 as not the end of the world, but the beginning…… (provided of course you adopt his approach to life!

For some reason placed many pages back in the magazine, Richard Stanley relates how the small French village of Bugarach, lying below Mount Bugarach, is the reluctant home to scores of new age visitors who believe the mountain is a UFO base. Fortean Times illustrates this article with a picture of a new age group meeting in the shadow of the mountain, with most the delegates dressed in white – how long until our very own David Shayler pops up in south west France?
Jokers like Shayler aside, there can be a serious angle to such developments. As the end of 1999 approached, Israeli police in particular were on edge concerning US Christians entering the holy land who it was feared may be involved in either mass suicides or acts of terrorism. A French civil servant from its anti-cult body, one Georges Fenech, is reportedly prepared to take preventative measures should similar issues arise in Bugarach in the run up to 21 December 2012.

The Winter Solstice has rarely been as exciting – or as profitable. Whether it is actually dangerous or not is another matter entirely.

 

A Hint At David Icke's Financial Empire?

I have only just been alerted to the Daily Mail of 7 January which contained a piece on Pamela Leigh Richards and her divorce from David Icke.

The web version of this, updated on 9 January, can be viewed here. Researchers have long wondered just how much Icke makes from his incessant touring, conferences, book and DVD sales and subscription website, and more pertintently where that money is then invested. Whilst much of the article is the type of frippery you may expect - Icke allegedly began to suspect Pamela was a shape-shifter when their relationship began to deteriorate - the news that she has been holding out for large settlement, and even demanding 'immense' sums does of course reiterate what a cottage industry Icke has built over the past two decades.

So, will the settlement buy her silence, or will we get an insight into just how much money there is in conspiracy theory?

Conspiracist Quote of the Day: 2

Headline news in the UK yesterday was the Leveson Inquiry into the conduct of the media.

All a waste of time if they had consulted David Icke, who in this mailing of 30 December 2010, reminds us that the media (and just about everything else) is controlled by the Rothschild-Zionists:

"that the Rothschild Zionists control the mainstream media; Hollywood and the movie industry; governments, not least in the United States; and crucially in the light of current events, they control global finance and commerce."

Occupied With Conspiracy Theories?

Spencer Sunshine has written an interesting summary of the occupy movement and some of the less savoury characters which have appeared in its slipstream.

Focusing on events in the United States, and placing them in an historical context, occupied with conspiracy theories appears courtesy of the ever informative Shift magazine.

Time For Occupy Activists To Stand Up To Nonsense

From the emails 9/11 Cultwatch has been receiving, some of the comments posted here, and those on several Anarchist email lists, it is clear that activists in the Occupy movement are standing up to nonsense in two ways.

Firstly, they are standing up against the injustice of banks being propped up with taxpayers money, and those same taxpayers then suffering unemployment, cuts and recession. Secondly they are standing up to the small, but irritating presence of conspiracy theorists, anti-semites and David Icke followers who have latched on to these protests. Icke himself has felt the need this week to issue a video as guidance to his supporters at Wall Street and elsewhere.

This video has been spamming Facebook pages supporting Occupy, and has popped up in a thousand other locations. For those wanting to counter Icke and his minions, I offer a summary of its arguments below:

It is 32 minutes long, a curious mixture of anti-capitalist rhetoric, that will go down well with some protestors, plus the usual expose of who controls the government e.g. 'the Rothschilds, Rockefellers' at 6.50 min in.

Buzzwords seems to be 'networks' for the above, 'human enslavemen't plus a fear of 'vultures' taking the occupy protests in the wrong direction. This is deliberate, as the few wish to have complete control over humanity. Their aim - world government, a world central bank, a world army and the break up of countries into regions.

Following this - a global electronic currency. This is why we have a deliberately created financial crisis in the EU and US. Protestors will be manipulated into demanding a worse solution than we currently have, unless they get 'streetwise'.

Some old staples come up - Mossad and US intelligence created 9/11 - problems are created to meet the agenda of the elite. George Soros is trying to manipulate the Wall Street protests, so they end up calling for a world government. (In a way it should be easy for Anarchists to distance ourselves from this smear, I can't see too many Anarchists calling for world government?)

To Icke we have cartel-ism, not capitalism. He gets very nutty about 24 minutes in - claiming that Orwell and Huxley knew, via the Fabian Society, the future route the elite would take - Huxley supporting them, Orwell opposing. That apparently is why Orwell wrote 1984.

Icke particularly hates moveon.org and any suggestion of global warming or climate change being raised by protestors (he seems ignorant of the vast evidence of climate change, instead seeing it as another way to bring about international law and global governance) and calls for individual responses, not group think. Clear he wants to see space limited for certain groups, and in particular for anyone raising climate change. No debate - to Icke such currents should be thrown out.

Forewarned is forearmed.

Countering Nonsense In The Occupy Movement

From speaking to activists over the past few days, it is interesting, and slightly concerning, to note some news emerging from the Occupy movement.

Spreading from Occupy Wall Street, a series of similar occupations have occurred internationally. In the UK this has included an attempt to occupy the London Stock Exchange, and events in regional cities like Norwich and Birmingham. Opposition to the disastrous decision to bail out banks on the verge of financial collapse has now found a degree of articulation.

There are of course issues and debates around this. Speaking to Anarchists like Ian Bone at the Anarchist Bookfair yesterday, there were concerns that the importance of the Occupy movement was being greatly overstated, usually by sympathetic activists who want it to be so many things. It's particular form has also been criticised, whilst the vagueness of its anti-capitalist message has been condemned by libertarians, who draw a distinction between what they see as capitalism and corporatism/crony capitalism.

A more serious debate is now on-going about how to deal with the presence of conspiracy theorists at occupy events. The financial crisis is naturally something easily explained by the likes of David Icke, who has been vociferous in his condemnation of what he sees as Rothschild-Zionism. To Icke, no discussion of 9/11, or the financial crisis, can be made without reference to this conspiracy. Such nonsense makes all protestors easy targets for media exposes, hit-pieces on their 'racism' or their portrayal as addled thinkers. The serious questions raised about government economic policy, capitalism, our financial system and government relations with it, are in danger of being ignored in place of arguments about anti-Semitism or the sheer oddness of certain protestors.

There is only two responses to this. I discount ignoring them, because they will not go away, and numerically will form a significant number of the protestors in many cities. For such thinkers, the financial system is one of the issues - they certainly will not abandon it. Icke has been calling on the human race to get off its knees for so long, when they actually see it happening, their movement is energised

One response is to allow the Icke types to dominate. To walk away and do something else instead. The second response, which I know many are now turning to, is to try and counter them. This is difficult, not because their arguments are so strong - they are not - but because arguing with people full of Zeitgeist or Icke thought is not an easy process. They have been exposed to an absolute truth. Those who do not follow it cannot be allowed to simply disagree with them, but become part of the problem as soon as they disagree.

It is neccesary to attack Icke's anti-Semitism, his ludicrous reptilian fantasies and to ask what Icke has proved in twenty plus years of 'exposing' the system. Other than improving his bank balance - the answer is nothing. Events like the banking crisis and 9/11 are actually very simple. Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for attacking New York, and the evidence for US or Israeli participation is nil. The banking crisis occurred because the banks gambled lots of money, and governments who had long dropped any pretence of regulation, bailed out their mates with our cash.

Keep it simple. Because it is simple.

What Does David Icke Have To Hide?

The end of April saw a Royal Wedding in London and the first day of May the beatification of Pope John Paul II in Rome.

Always one to find a link or two, David Icke does not believe the proximity of these events is a coincidence. Did the Catholic Church perhaps feel the need to grab a headline or two, and make sure St Peters Square was in the news as much as Westminster Abbey that weekend? Not according to Mr Icke - both events were in fact Beltane Rituals, a point elaborated both in text and on video. This is connected, he argues, to satanic rituals.

One thought occurs to me. April 29th was David Icke's birthday. He appears to have been born at the start of Beltane - but does not bother to tell us of this fact. Why not? If dates have such relevance, surely he could mention it? As Icke stated in his newsletter of 5 May:

"But energetically, Beltane is not just May Day. It begins to build through April 29th and on to April 30th for its culmination on May 1st. The Roman celebration of Beltane was called Floralia, the Festival of the Flowers in honour of the Roman goddess, Flora, and ran through April 29th and May 1st. Here we had the royal wedding in London on April 29th and the beatification of Pope John Paul II in Rome on May 1st. The two rituals were at different ends of the Beltane energetic period in two cities so ritually crucial to the Satanic hierarchy which is running the Illuminati agenda"

You seem to be selling yourself short David. The events also began with your birthday.

David Icke On The Defensive?

It seems the turquoise one is a little perturbed, judging from the content of an email he sent out to supporters on 19 February:

"I have read a number of times now that I don't have arthritis and that therefore my handshakes to stop people gripping my right hand too hard prove that I am a freemason"

Mr Icke even goes so far as to produce a consultants report in the attempt to clear his name from this serious charge. Whatever next?

 

The Shooting of Gabrielle Giffords: Some Initial Comments

As well as noting the danger from the forces Sarah Palin has been stirring up in the United States, we also need to consider some of the broader political currents the alleged Tuscon gunman Jared Loughner may have been influenced by. 

Early indications are Ms Giffords shooter was concerned with currency issues, the loss of the gold standard, poor grammar and America having 'lost' its first constitution. Much of this is standard conspiracy theory belief, and the US has now seen several incidents where gunmen, seemingly influenced by on-line conspiracy theorists, have carried out attacks. Other reports have suggested the possibility of a fascist link, via the American Renaissance group. 

Spend 5 minutes on the David Icke forums today, and you will see the usual response to a terrorist attack of this type - it is an 'inside job', the attack has been carried out by Zionists, it all a put up job etc etc. Perhaps the sickest comments focus on the death of a 9 year old girl in the attack, Christina Taylor Green, - the fact she was born on the day of the September 11th attacks leads to the inference this whole incident has been staged. 

Leading 'Truth' activists such as David Icke and Alex Jones appear incapable of recognising the effects that their world views can have - particularly on damaged or isolated individuals. The view that all answers to virtually all political problems can be found on the Internet, and that society, rather than being a complex series of class and economic relations, is instead manipulated by a handful of hidden figures, is sadly getting stronger, not weaker.

Until these ideas are not only challenged but refuted, there is every indication that we will see more Jared Loughner's. And that can only end badly. 

 

David Icke: 2011 Looking Rather Like 2010..........

David Icke's final message of 2010 was to remind us all of the importance of what he refers to as 'Rothschild Zionism'. 

It seems to understand the financial crisis, 9/11 and much more, we have to understand the role of this entity. Icke's email subscribers received this latest blast of anti-semitism on New Years Eve. Not so much a case of ringing out the old, as ringing out the very old. 

There is little to suggest 2011 will be much different. Indeed as the financial crisis grips countries such as Greece, Ireland and Spain, and austerity measures batter both the working class and middle classes in the UK, we can sadly expect an expanded market for those with ready explanations. Icke, 7/7 and 9/11 truth activists all offer ready explanations, if little else. 

This blog will continue to expose and work to counter attempts to drag anti-semitism and whacko conspiracy theories into left, green and Anarchist currents. Please work with us in our task. 

Royal Wedding Dirty Tricks

Despite 9/11 Cultwatch's impeccable Republican credentials, we were delighted to see the date set for the Royal Wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton - Friday 29th April 2011. 

By a strange stroke of coincidence - or not - that date is David Icke's birthday. What is going on here? A deliberate provocation by the shape shifting royals, mocking their greatest opponent? Mr Icke - the gauntlet is in your corner - pick it up!

No Surrender To The Shape Shifting Reptiles!

Once the Shankhill Road in Belfast was known as the heartland of working class Ulster Unionism, Protestantism and everything that put a very large no, into No Surrender!

What are we to make then of the news that on Saturday 25th September the Spectrum Centre on the Shankhill plays host to 'Belfast Wake Up Call'. This is a whole day of 9/11 'truth' activism, 2012 prophesies, analysis of state mind control and exposure of 'global elite paedophilia'. With speakers including Jim Corr and music from Gareth Icke (yes the son of the turquoise one) this promises to be something different from the narrow minded, right wing, conspiracy based view of the world that so often used to pass for politics on the Shankhill? 

Welcome to the politics of change. 

But what of the balance and cross border initiatives that we have come to expect in the new Northern Ireland?  

I am pleased to announce that next week Belfast Wake Up Call will relocate to the Falls Road, with the following speakers booked: 

Annie Machon "The Need for a Modernised and Fit For Purpose MI5"
David Shayler "Were The Jews behind The Northern Ireland Troubles?"
Chris Bovey alias Dr Hemp "Why Republicans have nothing to fear from drugs in their communities"
Reinvestigate 9/11 (Speaker tbc) "The Path To Truth: Lobbying MP's at Westminster" 

All talks will be simultaneously translated into Gaelic, with Ulster-Scots also available upon written request. 

 

Freeman On A Freewebsite? Only Providing You Agree With Us!

Amusingly I have received a yellow card over at the David Icke forums. 

Waffling on about the Jews, stating how great Nick Griffin is or presenting the claim that the only black President in America's history is in fact a foreigner are all par for the course over there - criticising those sometimes involved in 9/11 truth is it seems, not. 

Here's the message I received from 'Dr Hemp': 

Dear paulstott,

You have received an infraction at David Icke's Official Forums.

Reason: Criticising Moderation on the Forum - First Notice
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This thread is to let people know about a Truth Event and to bring people together. It is not for you to attack the speakers or to offer you a platform for your ongoing campaign to slander Annie Machon. I understand you have your own web site where you do that - http://www.911cultwatch.org.uk/ - here you are free to promote the official fairy tale of 9/11 and attack the 9/11 truth movement.

I think the fact I deleted the first message should have given you a hint that attacking other researchers on here is not permitted, neither is criticising moderation on the open forum. 3 points are given, please take time to familiar yourself with our guidelines if you wish to continue posting here.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/announcement.php?f=4&a=2