Yesterday's Channel 4 News interview was the first time I had seen Yiannopoulous (I tend to back away from internet stars) but he is clearly serious and wants to discuss ideas. Whether he is correct is perhaps another matter. Newman wanted to discuss and police boundaries.
You can see the video here.
Whilst Milo not surprisingly gets a little bored as events progress, if anyone hates anybody else in this clip, it is that Newman actually hates Yiannapolous. I experienced much the same thing at an academic conference last year - the realisation that some others did not simply disagree with my research, or think I was wrong, but genuinely despised me for it. They despised me for pointing out that in their rush to embrace Islamists, academics were trampling over their victims - women, gays, secularists and religious minorities.
Cathy Newman's interview reminds us the identitarian liberal left is losing, suffocating under the weight of its own contradictions. Rather like the Nazis in 1945 it responds, not by acting logically and changing course in the face of disaster, but by doing more of the same. For the Nazis that meant diverting precious war resources to killing more Jews. For the liberal left in 2016 it means more bans, more identity politics, more calling people racist.
It remains to be seen if Trump is the liberal left's Berlin 1945, its Götterdämmerung. Or if there is actually more to come.