Strange Bedfellows: Paul 'Lionheart' Ray and Andreas Breivik?

One of the more curious figures to have been thrown into the public gaze since the rise of the English Defence League, has been Paul Ray, who styles himself as Lionheart.

His Lionheart blog, complete with Crusader and Knights Templar imagery, has more often than not documented his many disputes with his past comrades. Since the Norweigian terrorist attacks however, things have got a little more serious for 'Lionheart' due to suggestions that gunman Andreas Behring Breivik was in regular contact with right-wingers here in the UK, and in particular with a 'Richard'. It does not take a huge jump to speculate that Richard was Richard the Lionheart. Ray has been forced into writing a statement condemning the Oslo attacks.

It is very difficult however to believe a single word Paul Ray says. Firstly because the amount of vitriol splashing around him, and equally being thrown by him at others, obscures what may actually be happening. All very convenient. What is clear however, is that Ray is a fantasist and a liar. Back on 9 March 2010 I exposed the bizarre claims Ray was making to have unmasked militant anti-fascism, in the shape of the Antifa group. Day claims to have done this by travelling to the Palestinian territories, infiltrating the International Solidarity Movement, and exposing the alliance between left wing anarchists and militant Islam.

Ray claimed:

Everyone knows Antifa? Antifa is the extreme left wing anarchist movement aligned to militant Islam. In 2006 I infiltrated their training ground in Jericho the West Bank of Israel. They go there under the guise of the International Solidarity Movement, and I came back with proof they are a terrorist supporting group who only go there to be trained up so as to return back home to their host countries to cause civil unrest on behalf of their Islamist masters, which is why they are now aligned against the EDL. Tell me any of the EDL leadership who have done anything of this nature, then I will listen to those accusations of ‘Keyboard warrior’, until then its more smear for the EDL membership to discredit me.

Antifa in the UK has never had any connection with groups in the Middle East or radical Islam. It has no masters, whether Islamist or otherwise. Its first action was a demonstration in 2004 against both the National Front and Al-Mujihiroun, in Trafalgar Square. The type of action the EDL would supposedly support, were it not actually so full of fantasists and fascists. The question I posed last year remains unanswered: Who is paying Paul Ray to come up with such fantastical garbage? Or is he so delusional he actually makes this stuff up himself?

Finally, what of the relationship - if any - between Breivik and Paul 'Lionheart' Ray? It certainly appears Breivik regarded the UK as more 'advanced' in its struggle against Islam than Norway. It is hard however to imagine a sustained relationship with the likes of Ray, as the former would surely at some stage realise that the latters commitment did not stretch much beyond internet posturing and dressing up in silly outfits. Sadly we know from events last week, that Breivik himself was the real deal.

Comments

[james walsh]

The funny thing about that nutter from Dunstable is the 'persecution’ he received from the authorities over his blog, is that it caused what became the EDL to coalesce around him as a result. They then threw him out for being nuts and he now rants about them being Irish republicans.

I expect what tipped of the authorities was the local equivalents of internationalist- like '****' from the SWP who has got into bed with the cops more than once for the monitoring of the far right. These guys play with fire.

[Harry White]

Paul - to refresh your memory - the demo in Trafalgar Square in 2004 was against the UBA and Al-M, not against the NF.

[Harry White]

:o

Red faces here at White Mansions. Yeh, it was against the NF & the UBA & Al-M - my only excuse is it was a long time ago!

[Rasta]

I wouldn't be so sure that EDL types are not gonna go beyond internet posturing and dressing up in silly outfits. It only takes one scumbag to make nail bombs...

[Internationalist]

Even stranger bedfellows, you might think, are the new breed of extreme right-wingers and Zionists. Here is a bizarre extract from Breivik's manifesto:

"Were the majority of the German and European Jews disloyal? Yes, at least the so called liberal Jews, similar to the liberal Jews today that opposes nationalism/Zionism and supports multiculturalism. Jews that support multiculturalism today are as much of athreat to Israel and Zionism (Israeli nationalism) as they are to us. So let us fight together with Israel, with our Zionist brothers against all anti-Zionists, against all culturalMarxists/multiculturalists. Conservative Jews were loyal to Europe and should have been rewarded. Instead, [Hitler] just targeted them all ... He could have easily worked out an agreement with the UK and France to liberate the ancient Jewish Christian lands with the purpose of giving the Jews back their ancestral lands ... The UK and France would perhaps even contribute to such a campaign in an effort to support European reconciliation. The deportation of the Jews from Germany wouldn't be popular but eventually, the Jewish people would regard Hitler as a hero because he returned the Holy land to them."

[james walsh]

I assume you don't need an essay why that's bonkers history? or why he would invent such a history with the material he has to 'play' with?

But if you put up a nice essay I will give it marks out of ten.

Or should we call em Marx's so as to be more motivational?

[Internationalist]

No, I will not require an essay James, but thank you very much for your kind offer.

But it is rather interesting how the new far right are reinterpreting history and embracing Zionism to suit their islamophobic agenda.

[Internationalist]

Talking of strange bedfellows, Paul Stott can take comfort.

Some commentators share his point of view:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jul/28/fox-news-norway

[Thor halland]

> But it is rather interesting how the new far right are reinterpreting history and embracing Zionism to suit their islamophobic agenda.

I think you don't quite understand the 'far right'. The Nazis still hate Israel. Check out Stormfront and you will see the same crap about 'ZOG' and Jewish control that you ever did. Breivik does not come from this tradition at all. He is a conservative who idolised Churchill and Max Manus.

Conservatives have been pro Israel for a long time.

[Internationalist]

>>> The Nazis still hate Israel.

The old-style Nazis hate Jews. That is not the same as hating Israel.

The EDL, American Christian conservatives, the Italian Northern League etc embrace Israel as an ally against what they perceive as the "muslimisation" of Europe (and against what they call "cultural marxism").

There is also a trend away from overt racism towards cultural bigotry, as I stated on another post. This is because the overwhelming majority of the public will no longer buy into an openly racist agenda - they are too intelligent and they respect other people whatever the colour of their skin.

Therefore the new right circulates scare stories about Sharia law being imposed and such nonsense.

To be honest though I think the British people are too intelligent to swallow that kind of garbage either.

And this despite the fact that there is a growing islamophobia industry in the media and academia.

[Harry White]

Internationalist

If 'the bast majority of the public WILL NO LONGER buy into an openly racist agenda' because 'they are too intelligent' do you mean that the intelligence of the German population, for example, has increased over the past seventy years? Are you suggesting that mass immigration into Britain has had some effect on the intelligence of the population? Are you saying that the eruption of race killing in Rwanda in the 90s was due to a sudden plummeting of Rwandan intelligence? Or are you simply making it up as you go along - which would appear to be the case.

[walter de la merely]

"...Breivik himself was the real deal. "

But not without some sort of help, from someone, somewhere, obviously.

Timothy McVeigh took the rap (like the "captain of his ship" he wanted all his life to be) but Breivik has left more of a trail. And it will be revealed.

And Israel? It continues to cast itself as the "bastion" of "the defence of Western values" against the "evil" Islam, and some suckers certainly fall for that - if it suits their own ends.

[Harry White]

Internationalist

You seem to have bravely run away from responding to my post of 29/7/11. I wonder why.

[Internationalist]

>>> do you mean that the intelligence of the German population, for example, has increased over the past seventy years?

How do you propose measuring this? I think it is demonstrably the case that IQ and literacy levels have increased in Germany, Britain and elsewhere over the past 70 years.

>>> Are you suggesting that mass immigration into Britain has had some effect on the intelligence of the population?

It would be a very strange thing indeed if large scale demographic change had no or little effect on people.

Personally I think that prejudice is largely the result of ignorance of other cultures.

>>> You seem to have bravely run away from responding to my post of 29/7/11. I wonder why.

An oversight on my part, due to the fact that I had no idea that my opinion was so eagerly anticipated. You pay me a great compliment.

If I had known that you place such high value on my opinion, I would obviously have answered sooner.

[Harry White]

Now I've seen your opinion I wish you'd left it longer.

You said before that 'the vast majority of the public will no longer buy into an openly racist agenda' because 'they are too intelligent'. Now you say that 'prejudice is largely the result of ignorance of other cultures'. Which seems to mean you equate ignorance with low intelligence. Oh dear.

Anyway, if 'it is demonstrably the case that IQ and literacy levels have increased in Germany, Britain and elsewhere in the past 70 years' it would be nice if you demonstrated that. However, it doesn't really help explain the racist atrocities in Rwanda in the 1990s, which - if you're to be believed - followed years of increasing IQ and literacy rates.

It seems to me I had the answer before, when I said it seemed you were making this all up as you go along.

[Internationalist]

>>> Which seems to mean you equate ignorance with low intelligence.

It means nothing of the sort. The two are not the same but they are quite clearly related. It is difficult to make an intelligent decision about (for example) immigration if you are ignorant of the facts.

We were not talking about Rwanda. However, IQ levels are lower in Rwanda and other central African countries than just about anywhere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality

IQ has increased on average by about 3 points per decade since the beginning of the 20th century in western industrialized countries.

My original point is that most western Europeans are too well informed and too intelligent to fall for simple racism.

Therefore, the extreme right is preaching hate based on culture rather than genetics.

So previously the NF said "We should never have let those coons in the country 'coz they are lazy and stupid" nowadays the BNP (and unfortunately, fellow travellers on the left, including anarchists) say "I'm not a racist ... but we should never have let the Muslims in 'coz they don't understand British culture and they want to enforce Islamic law."

[Evangelist Daniele]

Paul Ray (Paul Cinato) Lionheart, is the orignal founder of EDL which when he formed this group was totally non-facist. All though Paul is very radical and fundamental in his Christian view-points, he is by no means a racist and would condone any violence. He withdrew from the EDL membership because of their connections to racist & political groups and football hooligans who make up for the hard-core majority of members of the EDL. Most of the 'Mig Crew' - Luton's football hooligan firm are active members. They are the ones who have completely changed Paul Ray's (Lionheart's) original plans for the English Defence League as a non-racist Christian group into what it has become now - a new BNP!!!

[Dave]

Explain please, simple questions for simple people -
Where in the Christian doctrine does it allow wholesale murder of other religions ?
Why do so-called white supremacists think they are better than other races ? Check out the recent Olympic results ! !!
I am an average, white male with no particular affiliations. I am happy in my own skin and happy to let others live their life as they please - SO WHY IS THIS WRONG ?